Dangers of a Ph.D. Taking Too Long

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In this post, I talk about the dangers of a Ph.D. taking too long to finish and to point out the resources available to you to combat that. I have written about how to avoid taking too long and graduate in a timely manner in this blog as well as in my book.

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The “How to PhD” blog and book

If you are feeling overwhelmed or stuck in graduate school, you are not alone. You can get help to navigate those situations both in this blog and in the book. It is packaged more efficiently in the book, of course, which is why people have found it worthwhile to just get the book. The information is presented step-by-step there and in an organized manner.

Having said that, I am not trying to push you to buy the book. I am perfectly happy if you just read the blog, too! I just want you to succeed and to know your options for getting maximum support during graduate school and after. That is my ultimate goal.

The information is all here in this blog…

…for free. I also try to make the book FREE as much as possible but that requires subscribing to this blog so I can actually let you KNOW when the book is indeed free.

Dangers of a Ph.D. taking too long

A Ph.D. that is much longer than five to six years is a poor return on investment. Whatever the reason, there are two big problems with staying in a Ph.D. program for too long:

  • Lack of productivity
  • Decreasing employability

I am sorry, but staying longer DOES NOT equate to getting more done. Think about it, by staying in your program longer:

  • Are you getting a lot more work done?
  • Is your CV getting a LOT better?

Assess your present situation and make a prediction for the future.

For example, by staying an extra year, do you think your work will reach that next level where you could argue for becoming an assistant professor rather than a postdoc?

Or does the choice boil down to becoming a postdoc now or a postdoc next year?

Then, obviously, as far as graduating in a timely manner, choosing to be a postdoc now is better than waiting a year to do the same thing. The same goes for industry jobs.

Do you think you could get a decent job in the industry right now if you tried? Then, what are you waiting for?

It is easier to go from an industry job to another, better industry job than from academia to industry. Waiting and adding experience in academia is going to hurt, not help you.

Industry people will recognize that you are smart but they want you to get good at their stuff, not keep doing whatever you are doing now.

Think about the people who might be interested in hiring you. Whether it is a postdoc or a job in the industry, no one wants to see that you took forever to graduate.

Most people want a fresh-out-of-school, relatively young person whom they can train and mold to do the job they need to be done. That’s tough, but that’s how the world works, unfortunately.

No one but you cares about the exact details of your research and thesis.

Will you really add so much to your thesis in the next year or two that it will make an ounce of difference to the hiring manager? Probably not.

With academia, too, the attitude is similar, in my experience. The prestigious, named-after-someone-famous postdoctoral fellowships predominantly go to graduate students in their fifth year or postdocs in their first year.

There may be exceptions but I am mainly saying all this to encourage you to hurry up and graduate already, not to discourage anyone who, for whatever reason, might be an eighth-year graduate student.

Look, I know it happens and you are not a shit student or anything, you just need to get out and I hope that this blog or the book helps with exactly that. 

Focus on and only do what is absolutely required for graduation with a Ph.D.

That list might surprise you, but it is good to know it rather than be blindsided as a senior graduate student who is desperate to get out.

  1. Finish your projects
  2. Finish writing your thesis
  3. Find/train your replacement graduate student(s)
  4. Find a job that your advisor/committee will approve of (good postdoc or top industry job)

Yes, that is the complete list for what it takes to graduate faster rather than slower. If you conquer it, you will be good to go.

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4 responses to “Dangers of a Ph.D. Taking Too Long”

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    Anonymous

    Excellent narration in the audio version. Very helpful.

  2. David Avatar
    David

    The audio quality is really nice, thanks for sharing!

  3. Marija Zivanovic Avatar
    Marija Zivanovic

    Your advice is great. Thank you for posting this. However, there are so many graduate students that are struggling to finish because the advisors will not let them and committee members that claim that there’s nothing wrong with “staying an extra year”. If you have any advice on how to deal with this type of issue, please share. I managed to call a committee meeting, present my work and get the majority to agree that it is time to write up and move on. But it was still a huge struggle to get my advisor to revise my dissertation and he postponed it to the point of forcing me to be degree only for the Fall semester. How do you get actual support? How do you defeat the advisors that don’t have your interest at heart?

    1. oindreebee Avatar
      oindreebee

      These are great questions. You treat your PhD as your business and stop acting like a student waiting for their teacher’s approval. Once you give yourself some power back in the situation things go much better.

      Get everyone else on the same page if your advisor is not there yet.

      Put pressure on your advisor… there are ways to do this. I cover these topics on this blog and also in my book.

      For the situation where your advisor is the last person to get on board:

      And Then There Were None Approach of Graduating with a PhD

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